C.A.M.O California Amateur MMA Organization out of control!
October 17th, 2009 um 6:28 Uhr • MMA MATRATS, asd Pankration • 16 Kommentares •
There is need of a Senate Investigation of CAMO, contact your Senator.
C.A.M.O.
California Amateur Mixed Martial Art Organization
There are a lot of issues concerning this organization put in charge of amateur MMA in California. They were suppose to only run Full Contact Amateur MMA with closed fist strikes to the head and no head gear. Now all of a sudden they want to also regulate Semi-Contact Pankration with no head strikes. Which will eventually lead to them trying to also get control and regulate Judo/Jiu Jitsu Submission Wrestling, Wrestling, Karate/Kung Fu etc. etc. They were approached by the CSAC to regulate Muay Thai recently.
When pankration was discussed at the first meetings concerning regulation of amateur mma everyone at the meeting said no to the regulation of pankration. I was shocked at what I discovered when I was forward a copy of the regulations and pankration was now included. The CSAC has no jurisdiction over this semi/light contact martial art which has been going on for years in California with no supervision from them. All of a sudden this new C.A.M.O organization wants full regulation power of the sport.
This was tried before by the CSAC committing extortion, fraud, and more. They also tried there hardest to put it through the OAL and all government channels and was shot down in 2000. I fought day and night to prevent this from happening. Now I am going to spend day and night to prevent this sneaky and illegal action by C.A.M.O and head Jeremy Lappen.
I will be focusing all my efforts on this and posting everything I haveon pankration/submission wrestling below with explanation. You can forward all info to me kazja13@yahoo.com that will help save our sport from illegal regulation from government controlled organizations. If by chance you get a illegal and unauthorized cease and desist order from either CSAC or C.A.M.O let me know as soon as possible. Only DCA is authorized to do so. They have no jurisdiction to enforce them. I have been seeing these for years. Also most of them will say: We consider the event to be illegal. Not saying it is illegal. They also say it is illegal but not criminal. When you ask then straight out is it illegal or not illegal they say I don’t know. This has been said to me numerous times by Deputy Attorney General Earl Plowman. He just got caught for fraud and committed fraud in my case where he changed the laws to say Judo Chokes are Full Contact. Proof will follow.
The laws that CSAC tried to put through OAL in 1999 but was shot down. They were trying to regulate Judo/Jiu Jitsu. Now CAMO/CSAC are useing same tactics:
Here are the false allegations about a California Pankration Tournament by a CSAC/CAMO Inspector so they can get jurisdiction to regulate and get money to pay there so called non profit. I have received info concerning these false allegations. Anyone that was at event and have any info send to kazja13@yahoo.com
Gentlemen:
I was priviledged enough to observe from 8 pm to 11 pm on Saturday the 21st, the Grappler’s Quest pankration portion of the show at Del Mar Fairgrounds. Although 98% of the show through out the day was devoted to Children, Women, Master’s, Executives, Teens, Gi, No-Gi, Beginner, intermediate and advanced. in the truest sense of grappling and BJJ events and exhibitions. I thought differently in my time slot of Team Pankration events (8pm time slot in the Wyland Event center) that pitted teams that included 29 Palms Marines versus Camp Pendleton, the camps ofMillenia versus Team Undisputed Gym and finally the Camp Pendleton winning team versus the Undisputed winning team for the championship. In addition to the little inside information I am sharing, the Pankration circuit is available at the website www.Fightleague.org that hosts these participants in finding events. I must also admit, with an average MMA event costing 30.00 or more for a ticket, the 5.00 I paid to gain admittance was almost as equally gratifying and at 85% the savings.
This is pretty much the format in that six weight classes from 145 to 220 plus compete with six people per team. Points are scored with red or blue corner gaining points and different techniques such as a rear naked, guilliotine, arm-bar or say a takedown, hard punch to the chest or body all worth different amounts. The only
thing not allowed is elbows, knees, kicks, punches to the facial area. These techniques are allowed everywhere else as are all “tradional MMA techniques” and are strongly encouraged. Needless to say, facial blows do happen and even had one contestant get flash knocked out and then allowed to continue; only to be found out 10 minutes after his bout that he had a concussion and needed transport. (the now classic “talk and die” syndrome made aware by recent death of Natasha Richardson) No Paramedics, only EMT team and the delay was close to 35-40 minutes to get Del Mar Fire Dept there to transport.The other disturbing thing I observed was as much as contestants were encouraged to “tap out” upon submission, there were numerous (3,4, or 5) instances of fighter’s going unconsious and again, asking the “trainers” AKA the EMT team to revive the fighter. The EMT team also was there to make sure that when blood appeared on any fighter, they were quick to mop up the bloody face, laceration, etc as that seemed to be a point that they were very cognizant of through out the night. The annoucer was repeatedly telling the crowd that this is not Jiu-Jitsu; he was right! It was taking place on an 9 yard by 18 yard rectangle mat as the boundaries and the rest of the floor was out of bounds and all mats as well. Amateur MMA with no facial blows, MMA Gloves worn, mouthpieces, cups, sleeves if needed on ankle and knees, and one-five minute round. The bout goes to overtime for I believe two minutes if ends in draw; most bouts however were submission, tap out, or fighter unable to continue due to his injuries or sometimes, it even went to the scoreboard which was clear and evident who won by points.
The two camps Undisputed and Millenia are hotbeds for MMA fighters who want to go Pro or have Pro athletes already fighting as our licensees in our sanctioned events. This is as mentioned a much better alternative than the traditional “smokers” these athletes would compete in as there is a fairly good modicum of control exerted over these events but still lack a degree of professionalism needed to engage in a dangerous combat sport. It is very close in reality sans cage or ring when talking MMA as I would have to say there were several athletes who no doubt in my mind would be capable Professional fighter’s at this stage already. By the way, the team scoring is totaled by each individual’s way in which he won his fight as an example that Joe Smith won by TKO, he would score 5 points towards the aggregate total of the 6 fighter’s on his team. 3 Points is a win by points, 6 points for submission victory, and so forth. The last fight of night was the 220 lber’s that ended by cut on one fighter that looked to definitely require stitches and enabled the Camp Pendleton Marine Corp team to win the night championship.
In closing, one Marine told me this is what they do for fun when not in the line of fire of our imperial enemies throughout the world. It also would probably not go unsanctioned on a Marine Corp Base anywhere in the United States I do not believe but could be wrong. It was a very well run event and organized, the promoter did a great job matching the combatants and truthfully much more so than our professional match makers sometimes do. The athletes were all in great shape and ready and willing to fight for the alturistic pleasure of sport. However, one has to question this as being the closest neighbor we have of the phrase “amateur MMA event”.
Sincerely,
Roy Farhi
Inspector
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This is one response to Roy Fahri’s false allegations:
Kazja,
We ran this event and can counter this inspectors factually information. We are curious as to this inspectors motivation to do what he did and why was the report kept from us despite several attempts to question the validity of it and its author.
Here are the facts.
1. The injured fighter was injured was struck in the face with a knee as he intentionally dropped to the ground to play guard. The referees stopped the match despite that fact that he and coach stated he was OK to continue. The fighter was also advised that his method to get the fight to the ground was not safe and not permitted as per the rules. The medical staff advised the fighter that he had a concussion but he refused to go to the hospital. After about 40 minutes of convincing by his girlfriend he agreed to go to the hospital. There was NO delay to transport this individual to the hospital since he cannot be forced against his will to be treated.
2. The announcer advised the crowd and competitors that dropping to the ground was not permitted and commented that “this is not Jiujitsu”. Additionally some grappling techniques are not scored the same as Jiujitsu. If the inspector was present he would have known that these comments were used to that context and not to indicate any link to MMA.
3. A few competitors from Team Undisputed were choked out by Team Camp Pendleton. The team appeared to take pride in not tapping and were warned to stop this practice in which they did. Our two referees kept a close eye on the fighter’s and stopped the match as soon as they detected the competitors go out.
4. The Marine who was cut received the injury while shooting in for a takedown and ran into a knee. He used super glue for the cut and did not receive stitches.
5. Since 2005 the Marine Corps has been hosting the US Armed Forces Pankration Championships on Camp Pendleton. Last year around 120 members of the US Armed Forces participated. The event was evaluated by officials and deemed safer than Football and Rugby.
6. This inspector never made his presence known to tournament staff or referees, never asked any questions and never brought up any concerns. We did not see anyone wearing official CSAC creds and had no knowledge that he was present. Furthermore this report was immediately released to a 3rd party tournament promotion and we feel deliberately hidden from us. We only learned that the report existed when reading the 3rd party promotions post on the underground forum in which they listed detailed information that was not even included in the report. They attempted to delete some of the information on the post once confronted by me.
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Here is some video evidence that counters the damaging report by Roy Farhi from the Del Mar tournament. Thank god for video cameras!!!! Need to copy and paste link on one video the other has a youtube video.
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Needless to say, facial blows do happen and even had one contestant get flash knocked out and then allowed to continue; only to be found out 10 > minutes after his bout that he had a concussion and needed transport. (the now classic “talk and die” syndrome made aware by recent death of Natasha Richardson) No Paramedics, only EMT team and the delay was close to 35-40 minutes to get Del Mar Fire Dept there to transport.”
Here is video footage of the match described by the reporter:
http://fullthrottletv.net/pankration_delmar_sample.htm
Notice: The fight was stopped after the Referees determined he was not
fit to continue despite the argument by him and coach that he was OK.
At no time was the fighter knocked out and the blow was not directed
towards the fighters head. The EMT at the venue advised the fighter that he had a concussion, the fighter refused treatment and argued not to go to the hospital for 35 to 45 minutes. There was no delay getting a ambulance to arrive.
HERE IS ANOTHER QUOTE FROM THE INSPECTOR ON THE SAME MATCH:
“The annoucer was repeatedly telling the crowd that this is not
Jiu-Jitsu; he was right! ”
Listen to the announcer address the crowd at 1:58. He is saying
that the fighter received a warning for the manner in which he pulled
guard (fell to the ground) and for stalling. The quote that followed was
” You must protect yourself from strikes” “this is not Jiujjitsu” . Not
exactly in the same context as reported.
This could also happen in Karate, will that be regulated by CAMO next?
HERE IS ANOTHER QUOTE THAT WE CAN COUNTER WITH VIDEO:
“The last fight of night was the 220 lber’s that ended by cut on one
fighter that looked to definitely require stitches and enabled the Camp
Pendleton Marine Corp team to win the night championship.”
Here is the video of last fight of the night that was stopped by a cut:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdntJxbNbps
He did not mentioned that the cut was caused by a grappling technique
and appeared to happen while escaping a arm bar. > The question is why did this inspector deliberately distort the facts
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Here is a typical Shotokan/Kyoushin Kai Tournament which has been held in California for years with no CSAC supervision. In Pankration head strikes are not allowed. In karate tournaments they are allowed with control but often there is accidental contact.
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Here is video of Pankration: Head strikes are not allowed and the submission is the same as any Judo/Jiu Jitsu/Submission wrestling tournament held in California with no forced CSAC/CAMO regulation.
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This is the rules video: Full Contact is not allowed:
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These are videos of Sports Jiu Jitsu: NO FORCED CSAC/CAMO REGULATION.
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Sport Jiu Jitsu has been held at Disneyland in Anaheim for years with no forced CSAC/CAMO regulation. CSAC/CAMO can’t claim it is full contact now.
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Sport Pankration: No difference than sport Jiu Jitsu.
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Kajukenbo Tournament: No forced CSAC/CAMO regulation
Kajukenbo was one of the first ever mixed martial arts combining KA = Karate, JU = Jiu Jitsu, Ken = Kenpo, Bo = Chinese Boxing
International Kajukenbo is KA = Kali, JU = Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Ken = Hawaiian Kenpo, Bo = Thai Boxing
no gi is worn.
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Here is a Karate Tournament the CSAC-DCA considers a non regulated light contact Karate event that needs no regulation. But all of a sudden only Pankration is considered Full Contact and Pankration has no head strikes and controlled body strikes with Gloves being used. This CSAC-DCA-CAMO have no clue about Martial Arts.
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Another un regulated California Light Contact Karate tournament: Opponent wins by Knockout!
Pankration no head strikes allowed. CSAC-DCA rules Pankration Full Contact. LOL
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California State Athletic Commission:
Even with no jurisdiction over Jiu Jitsu the CSAC went to a Jiu Jitsu Tournament and extorted money from the promoter. When I questioned them on this they said it was a wrestling exhibition. Joe Morrera never promoted a wrestling exhibition. He is a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt and Jiu Jitsu promoter. Come on CSAC/DCA end the corruption. This is what CAMO is doing claiming pankration is a full contact amateur MMA which it is not. If they ever take money from a pankration tournament it is extortion they have no jurisdiction.

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Under the Common Law, extortion is a misdemeanor consisting of an unlawful taking of money by a government officer. It is an oppressive misuse of the power with which the law clothes a public officer.
Extortion by Public Officers The essence of extortion by a public officer is the oppressive use of official position to obtain a fee. The officer falsely claims authority to take that to which he or she is not lawfully entitled. This is known as acting under color of office. For example, a highway department officer who collects money from a tax delinquent automobile owner in excess of the authorized amount on the pretense of collecting a fine is extorting money under color of office. The victim, although consenting to payment, is not doing so voluntarily but is yielding to official authority.
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There are four basic ways in which a public officer commits extortion. The officer might demand a fee not allowed by law and accept it under the guise of performing an official duty. He or she might take a fee greater than that allowed by law. In this case the victim must at least believe that he or she is under an obligation to pay some amount. A third method is for the officer to receive a fee before it is due. The crime is committed regardless of whether the sum taken is likely to become due in the future. It is not criminal, however, for an officer to collect a fee before it is due if the person paying so requests. Finally, extortion may be committed by the officer’s taking a fee for services that are not performed. The service refrained from must be one within the official capacity of the officer in order to constitute extortion.
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Notice Brian Stiger and Anita Scurry’s name on bottom of letter. Brian Stiger is now head director for DCA and Anita Scurry is the DCA attorney. They both were aware of the extortion going on. DCA = Department of Consumer Affairs. Now they are trying to extort money from pankration.
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Is this why Jeremy Lappen was appointed as head of Amateur MMA in California because he will do the requested fixed fights by the CSAC! Even Senator Lowenthal approved the CSAC fixed amateur MMA.
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Google Bully Beatdown is Fake:
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http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4TSHB_enUS280US281&q=bully+beatdown+is+fake
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It was produced by CAMO head director Jeremy Lappen.
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Kazja and Kage Kombat was blackballed for not doing CSAC works!

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I even had a injunction applied by CSAC for not doing required fixed MMA fights.
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Got this e-mail showing CAMO only allowing there Rash Gaurds and Gloves at events.
Have you seen this?
ARTICLE 6. HEALTH AND SAFETY
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(a)The ring costume for each contestant on a program shall be approved by CAMO, and shall include mixed martial arts shorts, biking shorts, or kick-boxing shorts, an individually fitted mouthpiece, and an official CAMO rashguard.
(c) Gi’s or shirts other than the official CAMO rashguard are prohibited during competitionARTICLE 7. ENCLOSURE AND EQUIPMENT
708 (c) All clubs shall have on hand an extra set of official CAMO eight-ounce gloves to be used in case gloves are broken or in any way damaged during the course of a bout.709
All contestants shall wear official CAMO gloves weighing approximately 7 ounces, which shall either be supplied by CAMO through the registration process or purchased through CAMO at a later date. -
These are videos countering fahri’s false allegations of the pankration tournament!
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Google Bully Beatdown is Fake:
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It was produced by CAMO head director Jeremy Lappen.
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Pankration Rules Video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/socalpankration#p/u/0/rkR1R532mzA
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This Sport jiu jitsu tournament was held in anaheim at Disneyland 2008. No CSAC/CAMO forced regulation.
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CAMO needs to remove that they have the exclusive to regulate Pankration on there website. It is fraud. Pankration is not full contact and CAMO/CSAC has no jurisdiction. Here is what CAMO is Saying.
Founded in 2009, California Amateur Mixed Martial Arts Organization, Inc. (CAMO), is a non-profit corporation dedicated to help foster the growth of the sport of amateur Mixed Martial Arts and to oversee the health, safety and welfare of the athletes that choose to participate in it. On August 24, 2009, the California State Athletic Commission officially delegated to CAMO the exclusive authority to regulate Amateur Mixed Martial Arts and Pankration in the State of California.
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Waiting for answers concerning all martial arts in california.
Here is one posters complaint about this incompetent CSAC/DCA.
Full contact. Bare knuckles, bare feet. Fight ended with knee to head (no helmet). Ouch.
I don’t understand how this kind of non-professional amature competitions are legal in California, while Chinese SanShou with full protective gears (boxing gloves, helmets, leg guards, no knees and elbows) would be illegal? Strange.
Tough Karate fighters. I would not fight with any of the guys (and girls) I saw today. All the fighters went home today with chest and legs all bruised up. I personally don’t know a lot of martial artists that can take three minutes of bare fist to the chest without going down. No disrespect, but these guys are nuts. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCXaPa5UkE
If you regulate Pankration you have to regulate all martial arts.
These karate style tournaments have been going on for years in California with no interuption. But the csac goes after pankration which use gloves and controlled body shots and no head strikes.
The comission sent inspectors to the Pankration Oct 25th tournament to determine if they followed the rules or had a full contact MMA event instead. I want the inspectors reports on the Oct 25th tournament. What is full contact? Was it the strikes or was it the submission. If it was the striking all these style of tournaments must be stopped immediately. If it was the submission all the Judo/Jiu Jitsu Sambo submission wrestling Tournaments must immediately be stopped with the infamous cease and desist letters.
Here are other striking Martial Arts Tournament in California.
WTF Taekwondo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjmzNy82n4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FsRAuKA8dMHwa Rang Do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPklsV9kA60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBligBmVnSwSport Ju Jitsu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPWHK1gQV1U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN9ATVY_uiQHapkido
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV8DpJrNhcU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9ds7f7nxe8&feature=relatedEscrima:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Zuj5jdY-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqhuwvE5t44Oyama Karate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCXaPa5UkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlLoUpd1ShM&feature=relatedContinues sparring :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKMREyIv0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjOhx4KLdNAATA Taekwondo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ygQiKWG2Qk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1izg5oI6p9cKyokushin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK-23qBlMpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HA9GY_zF2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppRg9F_g1D8Kempo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxOH7aQAbK4Point Karate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4f6k6xma0YShotokan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQoLMIkbeBA&feature=PlayList&p=6295863D09A0B31A&p
laynext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7SU3e7p5×0&feature=PlayList&p=C2D649FC9895F286&p
laynext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExjOP-VIXuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtR1VfJwhs&feature=fvwFull contact stickfighting is allowed and un regulated by CSAC.
Huge Selective enforcement.
Waiting for answers!
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Waiting For Answers concerning all unregulated Martial Arts in California.
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This is a question I am still waiting for an answer!
I want answers. Here again you just consider Pankration Full Contact not that it is Full Contact. To Consider is not firm. Is it Full Contact or is it not Full Contact.
http://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/forms_pubs/pankration_policy.pdfWhat is Full Contact about Pankration? Is it the strikes? Or is it the Submission?
If it is the strikes then all Karate,Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do, Kajukenbo, Kenpo etc etc should be equally considered.
If it is the Submission then all Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Sambo, submission wrestling etc.etc. should equally be considered.
View all youtube links below. or go here.
http://mmamatrat.com/blog/?p=166
IS IT FULL CONTACT OR IS IT NOT FULL CONTACT? CONSIDERED IS NOT A STRAIGHT ANSWER
Why don’t you just say that you REKON pankration is Full Contact. Are you’re cease and desist letters going to be the same that you consider it illegal beacuse you consider/REKON pankration is full contact.
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C.A.M.O advisory board are MMA-Pankration sellouts!
Further distinguishing CAMO will be its advisory board – a “who’s who” lineup of experts – which will provide ongoing strategic insight and expertise related to every aspect of MMA. CAMO advisory board members include:
• Bas Rutten – A former UFC Heavyweight Champion and three time King of Pancrase, Rutten continues to be a prominent figure in MMA as both an elite training specialist and the host of HDNet’s “Inside MMA”
• John McCarthy – One of MMA’s most recognizable faces, McCarthy, known to many as “Big John” has handled referee duties for more MMA championship bouts than any other referee in the sport’s history. McCarthy will oversee CAMO’s approved official training program for referees and judges.
• Dan Henderson – The only Mixed Martial Artist to concurrently hold championship belts in two weight classes, Henderson has earned more MMA tournament victories than anyone in the sport’s history. A former US Olympic wrestler, Henderson also owns Clinch Gear – an MMA apparel brand and is a founding member of Team Quest, one of MMA’s most prominent fight teams.
• Eric Paulson – Paulson, an expert in more than 9 combat disciplines, was the first American to win Japan’s famed Shooto title – a title he held for five years. Paulson currently is considered the sport’s leading expert in submission techniques and training, handling training duties for some of MMA’s elite names, including Brock Lesnar, Josh Barnett and Renato “Babalu” SobralSell outs to CAMO.
A jiu jitsu choke is light contact but a pankration choke is full contact.
A Kyoushin kai karate punch with no gloves to the body is light contact but a Pankration punch with gloves to the body is full-contact.
True hypocrites of the sport to line there pockets in the future. SELLOUT!
Founded in 2009, California Amateur Mixed Martial Arts Organization, Inc. (CAMO), is a non-profit corporation dedicated to help foster the growth of the sport of amateur Mixed Martial Arts and to oversee the health, safety and welfare of the athletes that choose to participate in it. On August 24, 2009, the California State Athletic Commission officially delegated to CAMO the exclusive authority to regulate Amateur Mixed Martial Arts and Pankration in the State of California.
http://mmamatrat.com/blog/?p=166
Next they will declare a jiu jitsu choke is full contact and a judo choke is light contact.
Save our Sports from Sell outs!
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Tried to call again Dave Thorton of CSAC/ DCA Brian Stiger, Anita Scurry, James Maynard 12-01-09. They have ruled that they consider Pankration Full Contact which is like saying they REKON it is full contact. What is the part that is Full Contact? Is it the Strikes or is it the submission. If it is the strikes all karate,kung fu, tae kwon do etc is full contact. If it is submission all judo, jiu jitsu, sambo, submission wrestling is full contact. http://www.matrat.tv http://mmamatrat.com/blog/?p=166
Complaint form that needs to be filled out and sent by all concerned pankration competitors,promoters etc. Why should you be subjected to selective enforcement!
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Endless amount of cases against Dave Thorton
He has alot of cases against him over the years. Now he is in charge of the corrupt CSAC.
https://services.saccourt.com/indexsearchnew/CVFLPRPersonList.aspx?SearchValues=CV||Thornton|01/01/1991|12/31/2009|Name|Asc|
THORNTON, DAVE 01/07/2005 05AS00067
THORNTON, DAVE 04/08/2005 05CS00467
THORNTON, DAVE, DIRECTOR 08/18/2004 04CS01118
THORNTON, DAVID 07/25/2005 05AS03244
THORNTON, DAVID 01/10/2006 06ED00367
THORNTON, DAVID T. 05/09/2005 05CS00665
THORNTON, DAVID T. 02/14/2006 06CS00222
THORNTON, DAVID T., INTERIM EXEC. DIREC. 09/17/2004 04CS01264
THORNTON, DAVID, DIR. 12/30/2004 04CS01776Dave Thorntons middle name, Telephone. This is his divorce case.
https://services.saccourt.com/indexsearchnew/CVFLPRDetail.aspx?Details=FL|00FL06697|THORNTON,%20LYNN%20JANICE|01/01/1955|12/31/2009|Name|Asc|
Case Number: 00FL06697
Filing Date: 10/19/2000
Case Type:Case Title: IN RE THE MARRIAGE OF THORNTON
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Maybe Pankration should remove gloves as this karate tournament does to be considered light contact then
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Another DCA/CSAC SCAM! A must read of more corruption in California.
http://www.fighters.com/01/08/c-a-m-o-killing-amateur-mma-in-california/comment-page-1#comment-7325
Just a few of the Comments on this CAMO/CSAC/DCA SCAM!
In addition to what was already mentioned and after speaking directly to the CEO of CAMO, did you know that as a promoter, you must provide CAMO with film of your event. As stated by the CEO, they are going to use that film to put on their website, give out to matchmakers, and give out to fight camps so that they can better train their fighters to fight whoever it is that they are fighting. Did you also know that as a promoter, if a fighter shows up and has forgotten any of his CAMO gear, the fight will be canceled unless the promoter has taken it upon him/herself to purchase additional rash guards and gloves from CAMO. Doesn’t this sound a bit like a monopoly to you??? Let’s see, taking the video rights away from the promoters, using the film to promote their own site, exclusive on gloves and rashguards, and let me add this last thought. As this sport progresses in California, and the California State Athletic Commission finally gets their crap
together (which is questionable anyway), I believe that some day the commission will take back Amateur MMA and run it themselves. Doens’t anyone find it odd that CAMO, by mandating their logo’s on the gloves and rashguards of all fighters, seems to be setting themselves up for the future in that once the commission takes back Amateur MMA, their company or logo is ready to market and in fact has been marketed so that they have instant exposure for a wonderful MMA fight line, all on our money. Sounds like unfair business advantages for the future.
ps. Was going to start promoting Amateur MMA in Cali, but not under these rules, hello casino’s.Great article that brings up what a scam CAMO is.
You didn’t even touch on the ridiculous fees CAMO charges for promoters to put on shows. For shows with capacity of less than 500 seats – they want $1250 up front. This money does not go to any of the other needs a promoter must pay for. It doesn’t include insurance ( cost another $500), judges (3 x $100), doctor ($100-$300), refs( 2 x $100 ), ambulance ($300-$500). They even require you to pay for a CAMO official to present to oversee the event at the expense of an additional $150.
What is that $1250 going toward exactly?
The whole thing is a scam – and the contract CAMO was awarded by the state is looking more and more likely that it wasn’t legally awarded. CSAC has long been considered corrupt or at least extremely dysfunctional. I fully expect the CA combat sports community to reject this bullshit and unfortunately take the amateur program underground.
The only other legit organization competiting with CAMO was disqualified at the last minute because they were not a non profit. I don’t see how CAMO is a non profit with all the money they are asking for.
Everyone forgot to mention that CAMO also gets 5% of ticket sales and $500 a year just to call yourself a promoter. The $1250 to $2500 plus all the other BS fees cannot be justified since they do nothing except keep a data base of fighters.
Judges, Inspectors and Referees just have to pay CAMO money for their jobs. Referees have to pay $500 to go though a CAMO appointed referee school. As high as these fees are, there is noting that will prevent them from hiking them further.
Jeremy Lappen and JT Steele care nothing about charity or Amateur MMA. They are only involved to make a buck. It amazing that they are still around after the Elite XC Kimbo Slice incident.
If the CSAC collected this much money from Amateur MMA they would be debt free. Maybe the people behind this will soon have jobs with CAMO.
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This is considered light contact karate in California. Maybe Pankration Should remove gloves to be considered light contact then.
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This event was held in Los Angeles January 31, 2010. CSAC claimed event was a light contact karate tournament. CSAC/CAMO claims pankration is full contact which uses safety gloves and no head strikes permitted. Can’t see the picture here that pankration is full contact and karate is light contact.
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